Humming Sound

by Deb
(Australia)

Hi Sarinne,

What advice can you offer in regards to blocking out very low frequency noise? I have recently moved into a double brick house and at night I hear this constant low frequency humming noise. I am guessing that it is coming from somewhere far away as it doesn't seem like it's coming from within the house anywhere.

I have covered the vents with foam which doesn't help much.

Thanks for any advice.

Sleep deprived,
Deb

Reply from Noise Help:


Oooh, that's a very tough one. Without knowing the source of the noise, it's hard to know how to address it.

Many people, from different parts of the world, hear a sound called "The Hum," which could be what you are describing. The cause is unknown, and it's notoriously difficult to reduce the disturbance it causes. Here are a couple of links that give more information on it:
Wikipedia entry: The Hum
Hum Forum on Yahoo! Groups

The two things I would try first would be:
  • Noise-cancelling headphones, which are designed to cancel continuous sounds and work well against low-frequency noise, like the noise inside the passenger cabin of a plane. People who are dealing with "The Hum" report mixed results with noise cancellation, but it could be worth a try. It would be a pain to sleep with them, but if they help it would at least give you an option.
  • A noise-masking device, like a white noise machine (or a fan, or a radio tuned to static). It might cover over the humming sound enough so that you can at least get to sleep at night.

And of course, if you can locate the source of the sound, then you might be able to find a way to address it directly. But since low-frequency sounds can travel long distances, you're right that it could be coming from far away. Try asking your neighbors if they hear it. Maybe they have more information, or can suggest ways to deal with it.

I wish I could tell you more. I hope you find a solution!

Regards,
Sarinne




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Sep 12, 2013
Bass Subwoofer Speaker/Electronic Harassment
by: Elizabeth

My next door neighbor plays a self powered bass subwoofer speaker 24/7 to electronically harass me over a fence dispute. My windows, walls, floors, etc. vibrate. Beats my ear drums. Can I do anything to stop the bass noise rumble hum? The police won't cite him because the bass noise is not loud. Please help. I don't want to move. Thank you very much.

Elizabeth

Sep 16, 2013
Electronic Harassment
by: Sarinne

Hello, Elizabeth. I'm so sorry to hear of the problem with your neighbor. Low-frequency vibration of your home 24/7 is a whole new level of nerve-racking!

As you're no doubt aware, you feel the low frequency sound in your whole body, not just through your ears. For that reason, conventional measures like ear plugs, hearing protectors, and white noise don't do much to block it out or cover it up. It would probably require a massive remodeling job or even rebuilding of your home to fortify it against the vibration. However, even then I would worry that the problem would not be resolved, since in this case the neighbor is doing it deliberately to harass you and would probably simply switch tactics and find some other way to disturb you.

For defending yourself against unreasonably difficult neighbors, you might check out Bob Borzotta's book Neighbors from Hell for fresh perspective, practical guidance, and encouragement.

I hope you find a solution that lets you keep your home as well as your peace of mind.

-- Sarinne from Noise Help

Dec 26, 2013
You are not alone
by: Lori

It's the switch mode power supply from the smart meter on your house.

Apr 04, 2014
possible tool
by:

Your neighbor could be using an LFO synthesizer. I have also seen on youtube, drone machines hooked up with an amp. Creates low frequency pulsing sound. There is also drone, ambient and binaural songs or apps that can be downloaded. Try using an fft or spectrum to identify.

Jul 25, 2014
Definety not alone!
by: Don

I've been trying for years to find the source of the humming, drone noise. best I can describe is twin engines from an AC-130 Hercules. They are synchronized and seldom get off frequency.I thought that they could have been chicken house fans but...no way. Folks are reporting the noise all over the planet. there has got to be a common denominator!

Sep 19, 2014
At last I have found others who would believe the hum.
by: Susan

I am certain I this hum is external, I never used to hear it until I moved. I am no longer able to meditate as I cannot reach the level. This hum is definitely worse indoors, I can hear it through my pillow. Ear plugs do not block it out, it is far worse at night when other noises no longer 'block it out', it is awful, occasionally a car passes by and blocks its frequency out, but that is only momentary. I do not hear it when I visit my Son, he has no mains gas and has a cesspit. could it be water pumps or gas pipes under ground? I is certainly not nature. I know this because this HUM stops every Wednesday night until early hours. It then wakes me up.

Sep 21, 2014
SUSAN!
by: Don

You are exactly right! I have wondered if the MANY gas pipe lines in the area could be carrying this hum noise. At the current moment the noise has subsided. I have not heard it in weeks. Or perhaps I have finally blocked it out. Lol, I will not even stop right at this moment to try and hear it! I will travel to the one of the pipe lines thT re less than a mile away the next time the hum appears.

Oct 01, 2014
humming
by: susan

Please call your gas company, I had the same humming noise for two years. The gas company installed a new meter and it is totally gone.

Oct 04, 2014
Thanks Susan
by: Don

Susan,
The noise I speak of is audible no matter where you travel in my community. I highly doubt it would be 1" residential service lines. The Gas lines I speak of are 48" supply lines that travel through-out the country. Which would make more sense, since the humming can be heard ALL OVER the country and in other countries. At this point I'm willing to bet we all have this common denominator!!

Oct 04, 2014
HUMMING
by: susan

I see, I did hear it very slightly last night but it is better, do you think they will ever stop it?

Oct 04, 2014
Don
by: SUSAN

I am not the Susan who wrote and suggested that I ask to have my gas metre changed, however, thank you Susan. I am inclined to agree with you Don because I can hear it outside too, it sends a vibration in to my ears, it is a sound wave which is (as I have discovered) not "audible" to all people. Personally it is terrible, potentially life destroying I now wonder how this effects new born babies and children, especially in the long term. I wonder what animals are tormented with this noise too. This is a man mad noise and one way or another, we will ultimately pay the price for what we are doing to this planet.
I am looking for ear phones, I dread the noise every single night.

Oct 04, 2014
HUMMING
by: susan m

I was hearing it outside also, after the meter change it is extremely decreased so maybe some of it is from the underground gas pipes, it was really bad before,

Oct 04, 2014
Susan m
by: SUSAN

Thankyou Susan, I will ask the gas company to change my metre. My problem is... will they believe me? I have been made to feel rather uncomfortable in the past whenever I have spoken about this subject because others could not hear it.. Once, even told to have my hearing checked (just in case!) for Tinnitus first! Things like that, and the constant broken sleep have rather worn me out.

Oct 04, 2014
HUMMING
by: susan m

Try earplugs for now, it helps. We have sensitive hearing. I had no idea where to go for help with it.
The gas company called me and said I was due for a new meter so this happened by accident for me. I just listened now and there was nothing. I had been hearing it for years. It never hurts to ask. I wonder if everyone here has gas coming to thier house?

Oct 04, 2014
humming
by: susan m

in 2013 I see a person named Lori said that she thought it was meter related, is she still here?

Oct 05, 2014
Bass
by: Elizabeth

I believe it is bass frequency. Check with your neighbors to see if anyone is playing a bass subwoofer speaker with no music. It's just bass (white noise/sound masking). You are sensitive to the low frequency. Go see an Ear Noise and Throat (ENT) doctor to get an evaluation. You will have hearing tests to check for hearing loss. You probably have Hyperacusis Dysfunction. Persons with hyperacusis should be evaluated by a physician expert in ear disease, usually an otologist, neurotologist, or otoneurologist. See if they or your internist or your ENT doctor will prescribe Neurontin (Gabapentin) which numbs the nerves in your ear drums. You will no longer hear the bass noise and you will sleep. You may have stiff ear drums so when the bass which is a physical force hits your eardrums it's like a drum stick hitting your eardrums and it hurts. Other people's eardrums are flexible so the bass frequency goes through and they don't hear it or feel it. This is what my ENT doctor described it to me. Vibration is a physical property of bass frequency. Google the internet and read up on bass frequency and Hyperacusis Dysfunction. Good Luck!

Oct 05, 2014
ENT?
by: Don

To Elizabeth,
I appreciate you input. However, the noise/hum is there. It is true that some people can hear it. It is also true that you have to listen for it to come through, and once it does, you always hear it. It IS NOT a disease. It is man-made and if the government cares about it they could waste more money on a study to actually find it. I live in the country...STICKS! This is nothing that can be heard in the city, simply because of it's own reasons. We do have natural gas as a utility so the small pipelines are all over. For some reason the meters are out along the roadside. It could be the source, but on certain nights and even some days the hum just seems like something more than a 2" supply line. That's why I eluded to the main distribution lines that cross through our county, and may other county's all over the nation. The noise does not me it disturbs me.It's obviously something we will have to learn to ignore to avoid it, just like many other things we do as humans can ignore. So,

Oct 06, 2014
Not an illness
by: SUSAN

Thank you for your advice (regarding taking Gabapentin etc)however, I do not want to pump drugs in to my body to try and cure an external noise I have travelled to lots of places and this "hum" is not everywhere. I can liken it a pump labouring far off in the distance. Ear plugs do not block it out .. it passes through. After having experienced many months of meditation in different places .. I know this is man made and the fact that a lot of people can hear it means that we humans are actually capable of hearing this well (enhanced) It would be a far greater blessing if it was banned... modified ... if it could be sourced and acknowledged .. I feel it is ignored like so many other things because 'it won't do any harm... ignorance ... Well being is last on the list these days!

Oct 06, 2014
HUMMING
by: susan m

I found this
http://stopsmartmeters.org/2013/12/03/dirty-electricity-from-smart-meters-answers-from-the-experts/

Nov 03, 2014
Neighbor who is harassing Elizabeth
by:

Elizabeth, as I’am sure the owner of this page and local laws would not condone physical violence to stop the neighbor who is harassing you I won’t suggest it. You may have to resort to a law suite or restraining order. I'm not a lawyer so don't know what evidence you would need. It may be worth checking into. Perhaps an Engineering student at a local collage could help you document and quantify it.

Nov 15, 2014
Humming noise
by: J.P.

I can tell you that it is not from the Smart meters. I thought so at first, had my landlord change Smart meter to analog, and humming noise is still here. It really is horrible that the people who can hear this low frequency hum will never hear silence again. It's insane. I used to love sitting in a quiet room and be in complete silence. I don't know why there isn't more news coverage about this, because it violates our rights. Has anyone had any luck with silicone earplugs? Normal earplugs do not work. Thanks.

Nov 15, 2014
Dear J.P.
by: Susan

I absolutely agree with you, I no longer am able to meditate, this humming noise has deeply affected my life. Silicone ear plugs do not work ...that is .. they do not block that sound out. Ear phones work with music on but we are then restricted to not hearing! I personally cannot just lie in one position with ear phones on all night AND worst of all.. with ear phones on, I cannot hear my elderly mother if she calls out to me OR my dog if she gets up to go out. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS? I agree .. What can we do??

Nov 15, 2014
Law Enforcement
by: Elizabeth

Law Enforcement needs noise meters that measure the humming, rumbling Bass noise (18 - 25db) that we hear and then they could enforce the laws (noise nuisance/electronic harassment) that are in place to ticket the offender. I was told by local Police to find a sound specialist to measure and document the Bass noise and then they could take the document to a judge who would approve ticketing the offender. I cannot find a sound specialist to measure the Bass noise. Further, our local Government - Mayor, Governor, Senator, Congressman, etc. needs to be contacted and educated on what is being done to us. Perhaps, they could get the ball rolling on better laws to prevent the humming Bass noise. Not only do I experience the Bass noise, but the vibration, too. I had custom made earplugs made and they help. But, you cannot stop Bass frequency. It permeates everything. Although, my neighbor must have some way to insulate his Bass subwoofer or Sound Masking machine (White/Pink Noise) so he and his family can tolerate it - or he's plain nuts and enjoys it. The Gabapentin numbs the nerves in my eardrums and it helps tremendously. I barely hear the humming and rumbling or feel the physical pain that the Bass frequency causes me because Bass is a physical force and I can sleep at night. It's a heck of a note that neighbor can reach into the privacy of my home with his electronic harassment/Bass frequency and cause me physical harm, steal my peace that I am entitled to, and get away with it. Good Luck to all of you. May you find the Peace we so desperately deserve. Thank you.

Nov 16, 2014
To: J.P.
by: Elizabeth

Hello, J.P Does your Land Lord have a Sound Masking Machine that produces this new white noise (Bass) to muffle noise or conversation for his renters? You can Google Sound Masking or search Amazon.com to order the Sound Masking machine. Department stores and Grocery stores are now installing these Sound Masking machines to muffle extraneous noise and conversation. Companies install Sound Masking machines to muffle office chatter in open working environments. The original white noise made a sssshhhhing sound like a fan and it did not hurt anyone. Now, this new white noise or pink noise is mostly Bass if not all Bass. That's why it produces the rumbling and humming sound. It does not bother some people. But, others like you and I, it hurts our eardrums because it's Bass which is a physical force beating our eardrums and because it's Bass (frequency) it carries, traveling low, and permeates everything. You can hear it out in the parking lot. This Sound Masking machine should be outlawed. I hope it's a fad and goes out of style. Yes, the News Media should be made aware. The authorities should stop it. But, if they can not hear it, they will not help. That's why a noise meter that measures Bass frequency is needed (18-25 db). By the way, Bass makes you deaf. My recent visit with my ENT Doctor confirmed with new hearing tests that I have hearing loss compared to tests I took last year - thanks to my neighbor. Take care.

Dec 01, 2014
Power Line communication on Smart Grid Is Cause of the Noise Pollution
by: Sandaura

Please go to www.sandaura.wordpress.com to learn more about the Noise you are hearing.

Removing a smart meter which is contributing to the cause of the noise and negative symptoms will not stop the noise if the meter is removed from your home. The Noise is radiating on the power lines; that is why it is heard inside and outside your environment. Isolated cases of the hum may have been impart due to power grid issues. the reason people are hearing it everywhere is because of the power line communication which was implemented to manage data which needs two way communication on the lines. PLC was experimented with in the past and used, but it was always one direction and not with pulsed RF signals. it is a well known fact that BPL and PLC are very challenging to control because of the noise this technology creates on the lines.

Dec 17, 2014
Tracking to the source?
by: Kyle

I started to hear a low humming sound about a month ago, coincidentally right after SCE company changed to smart meters in my area. However, I can only hear the humming sound indoor. The meter doesn't make any humming sound when I listen to it closely. Does anyone know of a low-frequency sound detector that can be used to follow to the source of this annoying humming sound?

Jan 03, 2015
Sound Level Meter
by: Elizabeth

I do not have a smart meter. I have a lunatic next door neighbor who plays a bass subwoofer speaker 24/7 because he has a grudge over a fence dispute. No music. Just the boom boom boom - constant rumbling and humming and severe bass noise when he turns up the volume that beats my eardrums - and the vibration that travels through my house so that I cannot rest or sleep because bass frequency is a physical force and permeates everything. If the Police Department possessed a Type 1 Sound Level Meter as described in the USA website link below (NoiseMeters.com), then they could uphold the City Ordinances regarding Noise Nuisance (electronic harassment) from bass subwoofers and cite the individual. Please see the copy email note below from Mike Bullen with NoiseMeters.com. He is kindly replying to me. But, I do not have $10,000 USD to purchase a Type 1 Sound Level Meter. That is why the Authorities - Law Enforcement - need to find it in their budget to purchase such a Sound Level Meter because they have the power to enforce the ordinances that are in place to stop the bass noise and vibration.

Sep 15, 2014

Dear Elizabeth,

Thank you for your inquiry. These are very low noise levels.

We do have instruments that do this but they need to be Class 1 accuracy (to get the low noise floor required) and have frequency filters.
http://www.noisemeters.co.uk/product/cel/632c/

You are looking in the order of around £3K for a Class 1 version of this instrument (you would also need a calibrator).

Best regards,

Mike

Mike Bullen
NoiseMeters Ltd
Tel: 0845 680 0312
Fax: 0845 680 0316
Email: mike@noisemeters.com
Web: www.noisemeters.com

I have even contacted Radio Shack (USA) to see if they have vendors who could supply them with a less expensive Type 1 Sound Level Meter that measures low noise levels which are below 30 decibels to sell to customers and Law Enforcement.

Regardless, someone needs to invent and manufacture a less costly Sound Level Meter to measure and document low noise (bass) to sell to the general public. Thank you.



Jan 03, 2015
The Smart Grid Syndrome (The Hum)
by: Sandaura

Australia has the Smart Grid Network there. We have heard from several Australians describing the Smart Grid Syndrome. To learn more go to www.sandaura.wordpress.com

Jan 04, 2015
Sounds like a generator in the distant
by: J

I have been trying to figure out this noise over a good year or more now! I kept thinking it was coming from a farm behind me but only really hear inside my house?! The noise sounds like a generator in the distance which I'll hear cut in & out often. I am currently visiting a girlfriends house today who is an hour away from me. I got up & hear this exact noise & doesn't stop.

Jan 04, 2015
It doesn't matter whether you have a smart meter on your home to hear the noise
by: Sandaura

You don't have to have a smart meter on your home to hear the continuous hum and infrasound drone because it is radiating in the air off the power lines. It is ubiquitous and everywhere the Global smart grid network is turned on.

Jan 04, 2015
noise
by: susan m

Sandaura ,
When did this start, do you know? I have heard it for years.

Jan 04, 2015
@"J"
by: Don

@J...Welcome to the humming community....no one knows why.

Jan 04, 2015
Hum Timeline...heard worldwide
by: Sandaura

Hi Susan,

The timeline where it started to impact wildlife as well is 2006. this is when they turned on the PLC (power line communication) for the Smart meters and Smart Grid network. I have detailed this in my blog at www.sandaura.wordpress.com.

The history of localized hums have always been related to electromagnetic energy of the grid. the reason why it is so prominent is because the power lines are now one continuous antenna because of the Global Smart Grid Network.

Jan 06, 2015
Sandra- global powerline hum....
by: Don

I like your idea. but how can you explain the the indeterminacy of it. IE: sound disappears for weeks or months on end. It is also very prominent during the winter time...

Jan 07, 2015
The hum is a constant continuous noise
by: Sandaura

Hi Don,
I am not commenting on an idea I have. We have forensic evidence from multiple testing in different areas as well such as power quality, acoustic and audio. All of which using different methods and equipment to analyze and acquire the data.

The noise issue that I describe is constant and has never gone away since the smart grid network, which uses RF PLC and various forms of it on the power lines. We have been measuring this noise since 2006 and it has always been there, even during major power outages. It is a communication network that is transmitting 24/7 non stop.

The hum, to be clear, is more than just a hum. It is also accompanied by a constant low frequency drone (infrasound). Again these RF signals on the lines are the source.

Jan 13, 2015
Not Just a Sound but Radiation
by: SmartGridHum

A few health tips:

1. There's a YouTube vid re The Hum in Ireland by ImagesByDavid. Comments there said any cheapo drugstore "HEARING AMPLIFIER" will bring the LOW FREQUENCY hum up to "Normal" Hearing Level, thereby "Cancelling it Out" for Hum Hearers. They also said that by then Not Hearing the Hum (due to wearing the Amplifier), you won't feel the Vibrations either.

There are so many of those Amplifiers online I'm having trouble zooming on one to buy. I would also like to hear from others who may have tried this. And if you did buy & try one, would you please share which exact brand & model you bought & did it really work, & how complicated or easy is it to use, etc. Thanks!

2. The Hum is not just a sound but is deadly radiation (the Amplifier won't stop that). But, per DrAxe.com site (chiropractor) in his "25 Best Uses for Peppermint Oil" (Essential Oil) article, it included this one sentence: That Peppermint Oil will protect against "cell death via DNA damage due to Radiation." -- Also see his articles re Frankencense Oil w/studies re it curing cancers.

BTW: The Hum I'm referring to is the Low Droning Rumbling Hum that, when ramped up by Smart Grid Control Room operators, can also become a Faster Drumming Hum. (It can also be ramped up Soooo Strong that it becomes a LOUD ROARING with violent vibrations. No way in Hades is that an "it's all inside your head" phenomenon!)

Signed:
SmartGrid Vibrations & Hum in South USA, 8.5-Months & Continuing!

PS: Guess what the captcha word is, below, that it wants me to fill in to prove I'm not a robot > > "CRISIS" !!! No joke!! :-/

Feb 23, 2015
Meter treater whole house surge protector
by: Lori

Yes, check with your electric company if they will install a meter greater whole house surge protector. It is installed between the meter and the wall.
This will eliminate the thumping, but you will still hear the smart grid. You will be able to sleep better at night.
I have installed three so far and it is much better.

Feb 23, 2015
"Boil The Frog Slowly" Interview about HUM and more...
by: Sandaura

"Boil the Frog Slowly" radio show interview with a "Hearer" and also harmed by the Smart Meter technology.

Feb 09, 2015 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiPBJD-UKUo#t=51

Feb 23, 2015
To Sandaura: Equipment to measure hum?
by: Elizabeth

Hello, Sandaura

You previously stated that you use "different methods and equipment to analyze and acquire the data" to determine what the hum and vibration is.

Please inform me what type of equipment you use and where I can purchase same.

Thank you.

Feb 23, 2015
How to record the noise
by: sandaura

Elizabeth,

You can email me through my site at sandaura.wordpress.com


Mar 19, 2015
WOW, just wow
by: TrendyCorndog

I recently moved 3 months ago to a different apartment and I have been accusing my neighbors of playing low frequency bass and when I was sure they weren't I started thinking I was clearly losing my mind. I not only HEAR this noise that no one else can hear, but I FEEL it, just like someone has the bass turned up. Earplugs do not help, white noise does not help, and I cannot for the life of me ever hear it once I am outdoors. I am going to try some of the solutions posted, just relieved that I am not going crazy although losing as much sleep as I have been sure makes me feel that I am.

Mar 19, 2015
To Trendycornydog
by: Susan W

Yes, I feel for you, I am in exactly the same positon, I am certain this noise will effect thousands of people, also including babies and wild life, it will change life as we knew it. I actually moved house because I could not bear it anymore, I could have written your letter myself, I fell out with my neighbours, eventually I did not believe them and thought it was their fish tank /pump which was situated next to our joining wall. I cannot not get of to sleep, it is like torture, I try to catch up on as much sleep during the day time whenever I can because that is my only saving grace. Once night falls and other noises which would block it out or, rather, mask it have subsided, then it is too late. It vibrates an makes me tense up my ears. In order to try and 'block' it out, I have to be awake..it is a vicious circle. I have to try and sleep in one position, curled up with ear plugs in, the ear plugs do not work, I have tried them all, eventually, they made my ears sore from the pressure, I also now have a sore throat on the one side because I can hear less in one ear so pressed my other ear into the pillow with ear plugs in and after while, that hurts. (also tried many different types of pillows )This began in Sussex, I now live in Berkshire and although the noise is less here, it remains the same...constant. I shall move again one day, but I am not in the position to and when I do, I shall go at night and try to find an area where this noise doesn't happen. I do not hear it at my son's house, but, as I have mentioned before, he has no mains gas or sewerage pipes, so I wonder. Please do not think you are going crazy. Ear phones work up to a point, but only if you stay in one position and don't mind the music, they do cut you of from the world, which is not good at night.

Mar 24, 2015
Humming noise
by: Deena

Ever since they installed the smart meter I can hear a crazy humming noise. It's the worst at night when I'm trying to sleep. Just got back from vacation and it is so annoying!

Apr 07, 2015
humming noise
by: Judy

I have a humming noise in my apartment. It is loudest around the water heater.
My apartment complex refuses to address it.
My ears actually ring and hurt after I'm home in the apartment about an hour.
My eardrums hurt from the noise.
If there anything that I can do to make it stop?

Apr 19, 2015
The "Hum"
by: Shane

The "Hum", as far as I can tell, is coming from the electrical grid and I think RF is amplifying it some how. I have been hearing the hum for about 5 years now. 3 years ago I downloaded a frequency generator and matched it (harmonized) up to the hum. What I discovered was that it matched perfectly with the ac current on the grid, 60 Hertz (Hz). Just recently, while I was making dinner, I could hear the hum and when I turned on the stove, which is electric, I noticed that the tone of the hum changed. Like when you put more torque onto an electric motor it will "strain". This confirmed it for me. I wasn't sure until now. How can I hear the ac current though? My theory is that smart meters that everyone has now is throwing RF not only into the atmosphere but putting it back onto the grid. Think about it. A few smart meters aren't going to hurt anyone but think about, how many people live in your neighbourhood, in your city, in your county, in your state and all of them are transmitting RF onto the grid which, coupled with the high voltage currant, is creating a "electro magnetic wave" or "frequency", ie EMF? Certain people can hear or rather detect them in their head. I say detect because I can still hear the hum with earplugs in. The EMF's created have saturated the atmosphere so much so that I can hear the hum even when I'm up in the mountains. So until they stop transmitting RF over AC current power lines we will continue to hear this damned Hum.

Apr 19, 2015
More Anti-Radiation Health Tips
by: SmartGrid_Vibes+Hum

Learned at an anti-Smart Meter site of yet another health tip for protecting our bodies from the PowerGrid/SmartGrid Radiation assault (the Hum+Vibes are induced by EMF/MW/RF): "Calcium Bentonite Clay" > used for human consumption & poured over the land after Chernobyl. It adsorbs radiation (& other heavy metals, etc.). Several brands out there, but I bought the "Living Clay" kind (a fine green powder) at Amz. (I have no financial interest/affiliation in any of these things.) I have been using it only 1+ week so far, mixed w/water, drink it. It's supposed to "grab" all internal radiation & take it out of the body via normal elimination. I like it; can't hurt!

Since Radiation zaps our bodies of minerals, I also added to the daily regime "Magnesium Oil" (make your own > Food Grade Magnesium Chloride Powder, or Magnesium Chloride Flakes) + Water; spritz or roll-on skin daily. Plus I added Edon Liquid Minerals, 30-drops x day in water.

HTH! Just trying to stay alive down here in FLA amidst almost-non-stop "Electrified Vibrating & Humming Atmosphere" (indoors, garage too; concrete/carpeted floor, bed (no more metal coil mattress either), chairs, body, sinks/plumbing all vibrating & humming) for almost a year now. It's without a doubt the PowerGrid + SmartGrid = DeathGrid! No Mystery to it!

Apr 19, 2015
PS: Addendum to Above
by: SmartGrid_Vibes+Hum

Previously I'd read Nascent Iodine was good for anti-radiation. Bought some, drops, take internally, tasted good! (will stain white fillings so drink water/brush fast). Later read that internal iodine may not be a good idea, could take too much > bad for heart, liver, etc. Safer to use topical iodine, on skin only, let it absorb; easier to regulate, less chance of taking too much, etc. So switched to Isol Skin Iodine (iHerb carries it, cheap; external use only!)

Also, re prior Peppermint Oil anti-radiation tip (further above, January 2015), should not take internally (though some people do 1-drop on tongue, etc.). Best to dilute w/any carrier oil & use topically on skin only, as Essential Oils are very potent/condensed, & you don't want to give your liver any excess loads to filter out.

Consult w/your favorite health care provider if you have questions. HTH!

Sorry I don't have a Hum Solution, but it's NOT "ocean waves crashing on sea floor" as nutty French "researchers" said in the News in recent days! Pfff! Red Flag > Dis-Info Alert!

Apr 23, 2015
humming NEW
by: sue

I live in Plymouth and the humming sound is a nightmare I hear it all time night time its really bad I don't know what to do to stop it.had my ears looked at all is fine.its only in my house and I can hear a little outside what can I do im on sleeping tablets to help me sleep but its still there all day and all night sometimes its gone for a day or two then it come back could it be electrical grid or power line really need help and to find out who to call

Apr 23, 2015
Challenge this? NEW
by: Susan W

Does anyone know how we can challenge this? It is obviously world wide, certainly nationwide. I would imagine there will be millions upon millions of signatures. It is time to investigate seriously because the impact this is having on people from all walks of life not having adequate sleep is becoming dangerous .. it is a mental torture. This should be fought against. Is there anyone out there who is better than I am on the computer we need to unite and take this as far as Human Rights.

Apr 23, 2015
petition NEW
by: susan m

Maybe a care 2 petition?

Apr 23, 2015
Complain to the ACLU NEW
by: Elizabeth

In the USA, you can go online and fill out a form to file a complaint with the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union). Also, contact your politicians and local Government, Mayor, State Representatives, Senator, Congressman, etc. We need to unite and become a force. This hum is detrimental and brings harm to people. Those in power need to know about it because they have the authority to end it.

May 05, 2015
humming noise in my flat NEW
by: lynn kenney

I am hearing a humming noise in my flat and a motor noise in my bedroom getting me down

May 13, 2015
New to the Hum scene here...BUT BESIDES ALL OF US HEARING THE HUM... NEW
by:

What else do we have in common? Sick? Flu? Allergies? Recent dental work? Low immunity? Has anyone ELSE thought to ask these questions? I myself have only started hearing this idling truck noise aka "hum" just about a week ago. (only in my right ear) It was also in this time frame that I ran out of my usual vitamins and was informed of an abscess that was infected which was treated by a 5 day regamine of zithromiacin (Z Pack) prior to having 2 root canals done...and they haven't been able to complete the rest of the dental work yet.
Maybe this is not the cause of this "hum" but rather the initiator? Can anyone else recall what was happening in their lives around the time they first noticed the hum?
Are we conducting our own frequentcy to the "hum" from our own personal environmental stimuli?

May 13, 2015
the hum NEW
by: lynn kenney

well I have been on to british gas they said its not coming from the smart meter I told them that have tinnitus they said it must be my ears so we all must have tinnitus . its getting me down now so think I will put my head out of the window to sleep lol.

May 13, 2015
smart meter network cause of hum; not just one smart meter NEW
by: sandaura

Please keep in mind that one smart meter is not going to stop the noise because it is the Smart Grid communication layer network, so it is in our environment, in our air. It is heard outside as well as inside. We knew when we demanded our smart meter be removed; we knew that it would not stop the noise in our home because we had figured out that it is much bigger than our one meter and we were right. The terrible symptoms stopped, but the noise is still here today.

May 13, 2015
Testimonial for Smart Grid Syndrome NEW
by: Sandaura

Please go to:

www.https://smartmeternewsupdates.wordpress.com/about/

Post your testimonial there, as well. We are documenting and building a network to fight this serious issue.

May 13, 2015
Good News? NEW
by: Susan W

I heard recently that there is a battery (soon available) which we can purchase and can be installed into our homes from which, we can run our appliances etc. I only caught a brief clip about it on the News and all I gather is that it is a new cleaner energy / way of running our homes. I think they have to be charged by solar?? Not sure. Does anyone else know about them or has anyone else heard about them? I thought it to be very good news if it means an end to the awful grid humming we are suffering, because thousands of people will want them.

May 13, 2015
great NEW
by: susan m

This is great news, please sned more info.

May 14, 2015
Blood Type Survey NEW
by: Shane

I'd like to conduct a survey. I'd like to research a theory of mine. It seems that only certain people can hear the HUM. I would like to know what bloodtype and RH of people on this forum that can hear the hum are. Thank You.

May 14, 2015
Battery energy NEW
by: Susan W

There is quite a lot about Batteries on the internet..Telsa TechCrunch.com/2015/04/30/telsa-powerballhome-battery/ ( I hope that is right)but we should be able to find it on energy storage Wikipedia etc. Mainly it looks interesting where this technology allows us to be independent of the grids. Also I think solar power is required but governments are still allowing places to be built without solar panels ..how stupid. Sorry I do not have any more information.

May 19, 2015
sounds so familiar NEW
by: carol

I too have the same problem as many on here. Sounds like a distant engine, worse at night, rapid not really helping etc. All so familiar.
I've been hearing it in my present house since feb 2014 (moved in during Nov 2013) but I also used to hear it only at night in my old flat which is only a 10 minute walk away from where we live now, so I do think it is a noise produced locally.
I'm blaming electricity. There are two power substations near us. It feels like a constant vibration. Makes me crazy! I can't hear it outside but can often hear it in the car parked outside my home.
Could it also be gas pipes? I've had all the utilities folk out to check metres and pipes. The power man could hear it and the water man thought it sounded like a pump running.
I have set up a facebook group so I feel like I am taking action and for other sufferers to let off stream and compare stories. Low Frequency Hum Sufferers it is called. Please join.

May 19, 2015
Yes to PowerGrid NEW
by: SmartGrid_Vibes+Hum

Agree w/Carol & Shane that the Low Frequency Droning Rumbling Vibrating "Hum" is emanating from PowerGrid/Powerlines.

It is not just at night either, at least not here (began April/May 2014); it's all the time/any time.

It is not just a Sound but is an Extremely Low Frequency/ELF (Radiation) Vibration in the Infrasonic range (-20Hz) which is same range as the human body's internal organs, which is why some of us actually FEEL the "Hum" "penetrating" & vibrating our gut, bladder, chest cavity, heart, brain, eyes, legs, feet. Yes, it is Slow Kill Torture!

Quotes/Wiki:
[...]
"The frequency of alternating current flowing in electric power grids, 50 or 60 Hz, also falls within the ELF band, making power grids an unintentional source of ELF radiation.l"
[...]
"A common source of ELF fields in the United States is 60 Hz electric and magnetic fields from high-voltage electric power transmission lines *AND* secondary distribution lines, such as those found in residential neighborhoods."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency

Harmful? Wiki:
[...]
"There are established biological effects from acute exposure at high levels (well above 100 µT) that are explained by recognized biophysical mechanisms. External ELF magnetic fields INDUCE electric fields and CURRENTS in the body which, at very high field strengths, cause nerve and muscle stimulation and changes in nerve cell excitability in the central nervous system."
[...]

That's putting it mildly! As expert Curtis Bennett bluntly says, " 'INDUCING CURRENTS' means ELECTROCUTION!" > ThermoGuy.com.

Also from Wiki, for those who think Gas Lines are their problem:
[...]
"Transmitters in the 20 Hz range are also found in pipeline inspection gauges, also known as "PIGs".
[...]

HTH!

May 30, 2015
Humming sound NEW
by: Another Susan

I too hear the humming. Loud at night when there are no other sounds to block it out. Have tried ear plugs, but they don't help. Difficult to get to sleep. It's quite late now and still awake so going to put the radio on all night to see if that helps. I'll let you know.

May 31, 2015
humming NEW
by: lynn kenney

hi I have been told its my tinintis that's making the sounds

May 31, 2015
LFN drove me out of my home NEW
by: Dee

I moved into a new build flat which had up to date soundproofing! Wonderfully quiet. A month later I began to hear thudding bass noise and over the weeks a variety of five different rhythms of bass noise along with additional sounds. Most of the day and all of the night. Traced the noise to a 'gamer' using a home cinema i.e. media centre. He was a gaming addict and even when not gaming would leave the machine on 'tick over' - a sound like distant war drums. He wouldn't stop. At night he 'gamed' all over the world. Someone the noise was so loud it sounded like a sledge hammer outside my window, but measured very little on a home decibel measuring metre. These machines have built in sub-woofers which enhance Low Frequency Noise. No one else in the block said they heard anything, although I did hear one person having a go. In the end I had to move, as health was deteriorating. I'm a writer and no way could I work with the constant noise. I've discovered since that it's damaged my hearing.

May 31, 2015
Humming sound NEW
by: Another Susan

Playing music didn't help - still awake at 3am. Have just bought a white noise app for my iPhone. I'll let you know if it works. At £1.49 it's worth trying.

May 31, 2015
To Susan W NEW
by: Dee

Susan W I hadn't seen your comment from March before I left my first comment. Your experience sounds exactly like mine, right down to the vibration, the curling up in one position, ear plugs, etc. I am convinced the noise I hear is down to low frequency noise emitting from home media centre around where I live. I moved to get away from it, and to my horror I now live opposite another addict gamer, who hardly leaves the house and keeps his media centre on all the time, even if he not using it. I know when he is using it because the rhythm of noise changes. Obviously it's not just media centres that emit low frequency noise resonance. There has been some interesting research done at Salford University which was commissioned by Defra. Also other stuff from across the world. It seems though that at present there is no 'real' answer to what, why and how. Except that the LFN issue is world wide.

Jun 05, 2015
Imaginary noise NEW
by: Dee

Has anyone else been told that the noise they hear (which other people may not hear) is all in their mind. I keep being told this, and I am convinced it is not in my mind. Trouble is when other people don't hear the same noise, it is difficult to convince them. I think I am picking up LFN resonance which, according to research, only some people can hear. It would be helpful to know what experiences other people have had when they have tried to take, or get, action taken on the issue. Thank you

Jun 06, 2015
Humming Sound NEW
by: Another Susan

The White Noise app (£1.49) does help mask the humming sound. Needed to experiment with the sound, pitch and volume. Tried Heavy Rain for a few days - that was quite good, but have settled on Brown Noise with the pitch set to the lowest setting. Still trying out different volumes so that it settles into the background rather than being too prominent. For those who like the sound of a fan I think Brown Noise fits the bill more so than the sound of Oscillating Fan, which is also an option. This app is well worth a try. Hope it helps you.

By the way - who do I complain to about the hum?

For those who suggested it's tinnitus - definitely not that. I've had tinnitus in the past and its with you constantly, not just when you're at home.

Jun 06, 2015
Tinnitus NEW
by: Dee

I've also been told that the noise I hear is tinnitus. I know it is not because I've had tinnitus (in only one ear) for years and it's never bothered me; it is a different sound completely to the dreadful war drums and droning hum that I hear. I've tried complaining to E H but they only concentrate on volume of sound i.e. how many decibels, and LFN cannot be measured in decibels, it needs a different piece of equipment altogether. I have two files full of copies of letters I've sent to people, their replies, copies of research, information about how constant noise and interrupted sleep can damage people and make them ill. Not got anywhere, and still having the problem. The worst thing is being told it is all in my head. I really don't believe this because if it were I would hear it when I am out of my flat, but I don't.

Jun 06, 2015
hum NEW
by: lynn kenney

I have tinnitus 4 days out of 7 days I hear it the most in my bedroom if I wake up at 4 am I can not hear it if I hold my left ear I can hear it so now I have to believe its my tinnitus

Jun 06, 2015
Not Tinnitus NEW
by: Susan W

This humming noise is not Tinnitus.
I have NOT got Tinnitus either.

Jun 06, 2015
Not tinnitus NEW
by: Dee

I really don't believe that this constant noise I hear day and night, is tinnitus. But because no one else hears it (or they say they don't), it is so hard to deal with it. In the long run of course, they think it is all in my mind and I am a bit mad! I don't believe that. There is so much research out there about LFN and how only 1 in 50 people can hear this, and I tell people to read it, and then see if they still think I'm mad. Whether they do or no I don't know. However, because there has been research commissioned by the gov. it must be a problem. I've found out that apparently Environment Health Departments have been issued with guidelines on how to investigate complaints about LFN. However, don't think it's mandatory for County Councils to buy the right equipment or train up the officers, so back to square one trying to prove that it's not in the mind.

Jun 06, 2015
Humming Sound NEW
by: Another Susan

This is exactly the sound I here. Listen carefully as it's underneath the crackle of the recording machine. This is what's become known as the Bristol Hum (Google it). Hopefully this link to the sound will work for you. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPAt8bIxgjk&feature=youtu.be

Jun 06, 2015
Humming Sound NEW
by: Another Susan

The link I just posted doesn't work so copy the paragraph into your notes page, click done and the link will then work for you.

Jul 25, 2015
To Dee, how did you locate gamer NEW
by: Mel

I began hearing LFN bass three weeks after moving into an end-unit townhome. It occurs 24/7 and I have to go to a motel frequently for sleep. How did you determine that the source was a gamer? I live in SE USA.

Jul 26, 2015
To Mel re gamer NEW
by: Dee

It took a while. I'd moved into a new block of flats. I first thought it was someone playing alternate pieces of monotonous, four or five different drum and bass music over and over 24/7.I eventually located the flat the noise was coming from, i.e. a flat on the floor below mine owned by a young guy. I could hear the noise through the extremely thick and heavy fire door, as I stood outside his flat. A friend came with me and identified the noise as coming from a gaming machine. He lived elsewhere, but was also a gamer. The young guy opened the door, we could see the screen and all the stuff that goes with gaming. He seemed to have loads of equipment. He'd turned down the noise when he eventually opened the door, but I could still hear this monotonous war drum type rhythm. I asked him if he could keep the sound down a bit, especially at night. The guy got really defensive and said he could do what he liked, it was his flat. My friend asked him to take the speakers down from the walls, but the guy got aggressive. There was no way he was going to stop, he seemed completely addicted, hardly ever left his flat. He wouldn't stop and kept the machine going 24/7 even when asleep. He said that some people had radios and TV's on all the time, and he didn't like 'silence' Even when people moved into the flat above his and screamed at him and banged on the floor, he carried on. Environmental Health got involved, but because the LFN can not be measured in decibels, and they did not have any guidelines about LFN, they said that the noise did not breach regulations?? Trouble was, that no one else, apart from the new people above him, heard it. But they did not want to get involved, as it would mean they might have had problems selling their flat - we have to report any EH involvement when we sell. They also owned another home so they moved into that. I had to move. It was just over a year of hell, basically. I had to tell the person who bought my flat about the problem, she came round one evening to listen and said that she could not hear anything. Lucky her, also lucky me, or I would not have been able to sell.

Jul 28, 2015
New to Hum in Central NJ NEW
by:

Hi everyone,

I am new to the Hum, although now that I think about it, I have been experiencing symptoms for a while and just didn't consciously notice. It is 3:15 am right now. I live in central NJ and I noticed the Hum very blatantly for the first time this evening at about 12:45 am. I awoke from a terrible nightmare with an awful headache and sharp pain in my right ear. It was then that I heard what sounded like a digeridoo. A deep, rolling, continuous bass sound. I initially thought it was trucks passing on the highway nearby or construction. The problem is that the sound was persistent and I could feel it. Like I said, it woke me from sleep with an awful headache and ear pain. I also felt extremely anxious and physically uncomfortable. I woke my boyfriend to see if he could hear it and he did. We went outside and could hear it there as well, but could not identify a source. I have noticed unusual sounds at night before, but this is the first time that it actually disrupted my physical being. I almost felt like a dog being tormented by a dog whistle. It did not seem to effect my boyfriend as much as he was able to go back to sleep, but he did hear it too. It seems to have stopped, I hope. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this in NJ? And also is it the consensus that this is a smart meter issue? I'm also interested in trying the bentonite clay. Has anyone else used this and if so, what brand? Thanks and good luck to all!

Jul 31, 2015
To Dee NEW
by: carol

If Dee is still on here reading comments please can you tell me who you wrote to in your quest to solve or trace the noise.

Are you in the UK Dee?

I have been hearing this 24/7 for over 18 months now. Only 2 periods of silence for a few weeks in that time. It's horrendous!

There are 2 substations in my vicinity. An open air one, which is quiet when beside it and also an enclosed one further away which does give off a hum. But the level of noise seems unlikely to travel into my home as it is low volume and would seem like it would be silenced by closing the door or window on it.

Any one in Scotland have this problem of low frequency humming? I would be interested in ganging up to take action and get the noise properly investigated. The council does not srrm to have appropriate equipment and are more interested in the decibel level than the tone. Least they ate investigating for me but if we don't know the source it can't be stopped or srtvef with a notice.

Please have a look at and join or like the Facebook group Low Frequency Noise Sufferers.
Best to all.

Aug 01, 2015
To Carol NEW
by: Dee

Hello Carol, In the first instance I didn't write to anyone or contact EH because they always ask where the noise is coming from. I eventually discovered which flat it was coming by getting up in the middle of the night, getting dressed and going outside walking around. I did this at least three/four times a week. Then I started going up to each floor and just standing listening to see if I could hear anything. This is how I discovered which flat it was. I did contact EH, but as you say it was all about decibels. Also they had loads of excuses for not coming out after midnight, i.e. they were short staffed and had a large area to cover. blah blah. However the sound cannot be measured in decibels, it require special equipment and special training. There is some interesting government funded research on line. If you google Low Frequency Noise, there was some research done by University of Salford, and some more by a unit in Westminster? Also lots of blogs and papers written about the effects of LFN on people. In one of the pieces of research it put down recommendations for EH departments to purchase the equipment and then train the officers in it's use. However, it is not mandatory for Councils to do this, so with all the financial cuts...don't hold your breath. I am in Herefordshire at the moment, but am having problems so looking to move. I found it an exhausting battle and felt that I could never win. I do hope you have better luck Carol

Aug 02, 2015
Thank you so much Dee NEW
by: Mel

Thank you for your detailed description of how your located the gamer. I believe this is what I have experienced for 5 months. The arrangement of the one and two-story townhomes in my neighborhood make it impossible to locate. Also, the local police have dealt with some of my neighbors (who work for the same county) as if I am a perpetrator when I complain. I am moving and may again if I encounter this again. At least those of us who can hear this LFN can move away and hopefully limit our exposure to the vibroacoustic disease effects of LFN.
Thank you again as you've helped me immensely.

Aug 03, 2015
To Mel NEW
by: Dee

Hello Mel, Glad I was of some help to you. It is very difficult to track down where noise is coming from, especially if it is 'gamer' noise, as it is, I've found, almost impossible to hear the noise outside. I'm sorry you have to move again, this has now happened to me twice, i.e. I am now looking for somewhere to go. Trouble is, gaming is so popular now (with more and more people getting 'addicted' to it and thus, like my neighbour at the moment keep the machines on all the time - it's the machines themselves that produce the LFN) that finding somewhere peaceful to live is hard. I only wish the companies who make these damn machines would think less about profit and do more research on the effects of the noise on humans. Most gaming machines have built in sub-woofers that actually enhance LFN. There needs to be a determined investigation into this, but...in a world that only thinks of financial gain...I cannot see it happening. All the best to you.

Aug 17, 2015
the hum in my left ear NEW
by: Kerry

I am in Canberra, Australia, and have been plagued for a number of months by the intermittent mid range frequency noise, coupled by a low frequency throbbing hum which I only hear through my left ear. My family cannot hear it, my friends cannot hear it...but I fear that it will drive me to distraction. Especially at night, especially when I go outside and hear almost nothing of it. I have walked the streets, I am at a loss, and feeling quite desperate.
what to do? how to block it? any answers?

Aug 17, 2015
to Kerry in Australia NEW
by: Dee

Hello Kerry. From what you say it must be low frequency noise. Your description of the noise matches that of a gaming machine (however it may not be so). However, I never had this problem with LFN until I came to live in close proximity to a gamer who, played constantly, and even when not playing left the machine on. The machine produces the war drum type of noise, the games add different sounds, rumbles, pings, bangs, thumps, sledgehammer type noise, and so on. The issue about not hearing it outside is so common with LFN. I have read about some people who have taken to sleeping outside in a tent or shed because that is the only way they can get any sleep. I know where the noise disturbance I am experiencing is coming from, but as soon as I walk outside - nothing. There's a lot of on line stuff about LFN. It can travel several kilometers (especially in open countryside) it seems. Also it can penetrate through glass, slate, tiles, brick, all matter of building material. Once it's into a building/room it is sounds loud because the walls act as an amplification box. This is info gained from on line searches. It is not that easy to track down when you are outside. I have not found any successful way of blocking it: have tried several different types of ear plugs, cotton wool, headphones, scarves, pillow over my head, etc. etc. I am being driven to despair - for the second time. I've moved once to get away from a gamer in a flat in a floor below me in the block where I used to live, and to my horror there is another in a house right opposite me on the other side of a narrow road. I've actually been considering trying to find a wooden house! Wondering if wood would help to damp down the noise, as sound waves bounce off 'solid' material. It is a nightmare. Sorry not to be of more help, I do hope you get settled soon.

Aug 17, 2015
LFN is Bass NEW
by: Elizabeth

I believe that it's bass frequency. The only way to stop bass frequency is to turn the power off or by distance - move far enough away from it so you no longer hear it or feel it. Since bass has a physical property, you should also be "feeling" the vibration (pulse/beat/resonance). Bass permeates everything - brick walls, eardrums, human bodies, etc. The USA Government and FBI use it as a weapon. You can measure bass with a noise meter or sound level meter using the C weight. New York City (USA) has a noise ordinance that includes bass noise (nuisance):

Sometimes residents are disturbed by pervasive bass sounds that resonate and can be felt physically by a person.

• Bass sounds measurements are weighted in the "C" scale and may not exceed 6 dB(C) above the ambient sound if the ambient sound is greater than 62 dB(C).

If a police officer has a noise meter or sound level meter using the C weight scale, he can cite the violator - if he has an noise nuisance ordinance like New York City's to enforce. You can Google WWGrainger.com and find their sound level meter (5URG5) for $200 that has the A and C Weight Scale.

Houston, Texas USA has a noise ordinance regarding vibration or resonance from bass:

(b)
Regardless of the measurable dB(A) level established in this chapter and measured in a manner provided in section 30-6, the creation of any sound causing persons occupying or using any property other than the property upon which the sound is being generated to be aware of vibrations or resonance caused by the sound shall be prima facie evidence of a sound that unreasonably disturbs, injures, or endangers the comfort, repose, health, peace, or safety of others in violation of this chapter.

I am pushing to get the City of Houston to add New York City's ordinance above and the sound level meter C weight scale in the hands of the Police.

Somehow, we must convince and even educate the authorities on bass or LFN. Push. Where ever you are, push to get ordinances created to end bass noise and vibration. We can do it. We can find a way.

Aug 17, 2015
Newbies: Check for Smart.Grid First! NEW
by: Smart.Grid_Vibes+Hum

All Newbie Commentors should read all prior comments first. It appears that they don't read prior comments first.

To the lady Kerry in AU: I've heard gaming machines & that is NOTHING like the CONSISTENT, STEADY, PULSING, VIBRATING LFN most people are hearing & feeling.

Which ear doesn't matter. I hear/feel it in either/or ear, depends which direction the Smart.Grid "current" is currently "looping" around the neighborhood.

The reason you hear it INSIDE is simple > The Smart.Grid IS IN YOUR WALL-WIRING. It's also in Transmission Lines & Distribution Lines, whether overhead on poles, or underground lines. So some people do hear it outside, depending on how the Grid is laid out in their area. But true, more likely to hear it INSIDE because of having WALLS with WIRING in them.

So, FIRST, check your area to see if your utility company has initiated Smart.Grid Technology. Also check for GAS LINES in your area. They transmit frequencies via "PIGS" (see my comments further above dated 1/13/15, 4/19/15, & 5/19/15).

Then, if no Smart.Grid nor Gas Lines in your area, then you can go on "gaming machine goose chases" if you like, but that gaming sound is really NOT what the majority are describing. Also check for military in your area. Navies use ELF/LFN to communicate with Submarines.

Aug 17, 2015
USE COLD COCONUT OIL+COTTON BALLS IN EARS TO HELP BLOCK ELF NEW
by: Smart.Grid_Vibes+Hum

Since I did not have "Hearing Amplifiers" on hand to help block ELF (see prior comment 1/13/15), the idea came to me (TYJ!) to use what I DID have > COCONUT OIL stored in the fridge. It is a solid white oil so you cut out a little chunk & completely fill your ears with it & then press a cotton ball on top of the oil to hold it in place.

No, it's not fun having your ears blocked, & it's a little bit messy/greasy, & yes it will eventually melt in your ear, etc. But it definitely seems to help block ELF & even helps block MWR/RF, & it even helps the body to not FEEL the vibrations of the ELF as much, at least for awhile.

Will putting cool/cold (from the fridge or room temp) Coconut Oil in your ears hurt your inner ear? You can get a doctor's opinion first if you like. But I wasn't & still am not worried about it. Since God created Coconuts in Nature, I figure it's totally safe. (If you live in a FREEZING Climate, maybe that would keep the Coconut Oil-In-Ears solid longer, but human body temperature 98.6(?) would probably melt it in your ears eventually anyway).

NEW REVELATION: Just the other day I happened upon an older forum thread re prepping at ATS where the conversation just so happened to veer off to two guys discussing SOUND PROOF ROOMS for Music Studios. One guy was an expert who had built Sound Proof Rooms professionally for Recording Studios. One of the frequencies they must block is ELF/LFN "Bass" because it travels through floors/walls to any adjacent Recording Room(s). I had read about Sound Proof Rooms before & materials they use but had never heard of this > > >

That expert guy described all the materials they use in building Sound Proof Recording Studios (5-pane glass, put a room-within-a-room, etc.), & he included that they then "FLOAT THE ROOM IN OIL"!!!

So there ya go!! I was like, Wow, How about that!! OIL must obviously be what helps them block the ELF/LFN since "Low Frequencies" tend to "hug the ground." So maybe that's why COCONUT OIL also helps block the ELF/LFN from reaching the inner ear!

Lastly, thanks to Elizabeth for that LEGAL info re NY & Houston city codes, etc.

PS: The captcha word this time is "CATTLE" > Exactly what TPTB think of society en masse > a Herd of Dumb Cattle.

Aug 18, 2015
To Elizabeth NEW
by: Dee

Thank you for your very helpful comments, Elizabeth. Unfortunately the UK seems to be way behind in the way it deals with LFN. Everything is measured on the A weighting scale. There seems to be a denial culture, despite the fact that thousands of people in the UK are driven to despair by LFN. Government funded research which has been authorized (due to people committing suicide because of this problem) have resulted in conclusions so 'bland' it's quite obvious that they have no interest but simply don't want to be bothered. I wish I had a copy of your comments to send to my local Environmental Health department, as I've argued the point about C weighting measurement, and they are suggesting there is no such thing!

Aug 18, 2015
Smart.Grid - Vibes NEW
by: Dee

Thank you for your tip about coconut oil. I have used also olive oil, and various other 'oily' substances. Apart from ending up with a greasy ear, neck and hair, I've found, sadly, that they don't work. Electric grids, gas lines, pylons, telephone wires, etc. have all been taken into consideration and, I agree, that in some cases there could be a problem. However, I've lived all my life in a variety of different properties all with electric wiring, some with gas, some near pylons, most with telephone wires, etc., and have only experienced this problem with LFN during the two occasions I have ended up living in close proximity to gamers. I have friends who are gamers, most of them responsible in setting their volume levels. My son is a grown up gamer (he doesn't obviously live with me) I know the sound that gaming machines make when used and when 'ticking over' and this is the sound that I am hearing. OK, not everyone will have the problem - only two of the other residents here are bothered by the noise - other residents don't hear it. Which is, of course, a huge part of the problem,i.e. only about 1 in 50 of the population in the UK is bothered by LFN. I could go down the route of stripping out all of the electrical wiring in my flat, but I don't think the landlord would be too happy! I certainly accept that other people's experience with LFN is not down to gamers, but other reasons, everyone is different. I will certainly try your tip about using cotton wool soaked in Coconut oil.

Aug 18, 2015
UK environmental health departments NEW
by: Dee

OK. This will probably only apply to people from the UK who have a sensitivity to LFN. I have just been informed by my local EH department that: they don't deal with people who have this particular noise sensitivity!! i.e. the noise has to be something that can be heard by - 'an average, normal, reasonable person!' I asked what a normal person was? Couldn't tell me. An average person? Same answer. A reasonable person (reasonable based on what measurement) Same answer. I cannot find any organization in the UK which assists and 1 in 50 of the population who are sensitive to LFN. Does anyone in the UK know of such an organization? If so, please let me know, because it is about time the laws regarding how EH departments worked, was changed. Thank you

Aug 18, 2015
Hi Dee! NEW
by: Smart.Grid_Vibes+Hum

Thanks, Dee, for the add'l info. When I speak of the Power Grid powerlines, wall-wiring, etc., being the cause of ELF, I mean that in regards to the "Smart Grid." If the UK does not yet have the Smart Grid AMI ("Advanced Metering Infrastructure"), then that would not be the cause for you folks.

There used to be a group in the UK, LFNSA (Low Frequency Noise Sufferers Assoc.), but I don't know if it still exists. Try googling LFN Sufferers: http://www.google.com/search?q=LFN%20Sufferers%20UK

John Dawes is over there in the UK & he's been researching the UK LF Hum for a long time & has a google group called "Hum Sufferers." Dawes thinks the UK LF Hum is coming from the USA's 60-hertz Power Grid:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/hum-sufferers

Coconut Oil is solid vs Olive Oil being runny liquid. So the chunk of solid Coconut Oil in ear acts as a barrier (plus the cotton ball on top to prevent it leaking after it begins to melt). It's only a temporary "help" & not perfect, for sure.

Supposedly a cheap drugstore generic "Hearing Amplifier" can turn LF up into "normal hearing range" which supposedly then cancels out the LF (see my first comment from Jan.2015). I haven't tried one of those, so cannot say; & I heard they are uncomfortable to wear & impossible to sleep with (the gadget shape/size hurts ears).

Hang in there!

(PS: Captcha word now says IODINE! Funny because I began using topical iodine in recent months to hold back EMF/MWR/ELF radiation damage!)

Aug 18, 2015
To Smart.Grid - Vibes NEW
by: Dee

Thank you for the information about LFN suffers groups. My latest find resulted in being told the e mail address was no longer in use. Then I looked at the info and saw that it was written years ago, so I guess group no longer in use. I guess it would be helpful if people dismantled their web sites when they no longer used them! Thus, my plea for help on this forum. I've tried other possibles in the past, but no response. To be honest, I think people just give up in the face of the governments disinterest, and obstruction to progress, with this problem. There are now too many people in the UK having a problem with LFN, and for the gov. to acknowledge them would be finally admitting to a problem. No way will they do that. It would open the biggest can of worms ever. Our laws in the UK are pathetic when it comes to minority groups' sufferings and harm. However, as soon as I can find some people willing to form a support group with the remit of being focused on active campaigning the better. Who is John Dawes? Is he someone sympathetic to the problems experienced by LFN suffers? Re the amplifier thing. Not heard of them over here (years behind the times as usual). I have tried sleeping in supposedly 'noise blocking' headphones, but of course very uncomfortable and also, I realized, that the 'noise blocking' bit is to stop noise intrusion when listening to music, not to block noise out completely. I wish!

Aug 18, 2015
LFN NEW
by: Brown-Noise

Plse all sufferers take a look at a report by Geoff Leventhall for DEFRA from 2004. This vibration caused Scotland to commission several reports and they are ions ahead n admitting there exists an environmental health issue. I have spent thousands on trying to prove I am not neurotic. But having read today Wikipedia articleBrown noise, I realise that I suffer serious sleep deprivation and weight loss due to LFN. Those frequencies are so dangerous they cause body cells literally to oscillate or resonate. And, worse, can cause involuntary bowel actions. After my nightly sleep disturbances I need to be in the loo 4-6 times in rapid succession. I bought an EARTHPULSE and realise it yields 1Hz-14.6Hz in all settings which is not good as made me hyper. Was advised to switch a fan on, and that, with melatonin has been the only way to block,out the Hum. Getting the house dowsed would not help as EMF is not the same as the pulsed droning we hear. Underground water, the Grid, substations, pylons, neighbours' devices, 4G... All of the above, and probably a cover up. What is the alternative . I've switched off the Mains at night, fridge off was bliss, but still the intermittent droning which is felt, not heard, absorbed by the entire body. Maybe there are more of us being sensitised, but I suspect it is increasing power use exponentially. And yes, what a handy inexpensive way to annoy a neighbour. If DEFRA commissioned aPhD because so many employees were/are affected, why isn't there some government action. The power companies will have their lobby much as the mercury using dentist fraternity does. Can't even move home as it is ubiquitous. Lobotomy anybody? Then we wouldn't care either way

Aug 18, 2015
To Brown Noise NEW
by: Dee

Hello, thanks for your very interesting and insightful post. Agree am totally perplexed at lack of Gov action. Although, having said that, I am not really surprised; as I said in my last post: to admit there is a problem opens a huge, nasty, tangled can of worms because then they have to do something, and that will cost. Although - I imagine the cost will be passed on to the already hard ridden tax payers. Have read Levenhall; also Defra funded research undergone at Salford Uni, trouble is the conclusions (at Salford) were so bland as to be useless. Most of it really made me cross, but what made me furious was the ides, not well hidden between the lines, that people who have sensitivity to LFN are somehow 'responsible' i.e. it's their reactions to it that are to blame - therefore we should all undergo CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) which in the past used to be called Aversion Therapy and was used to help people with phobias - that caused interference in living their lives - to over come them!! Can you imagine going down that route and, of course, still hearing and feeling the noise, and being told you 'aren't trying hard enough to overcome your 'phobia!' Very interested in your use of Melatonin, may try that. I also have fan, and also purchased a quite expensive 'Sound Therapy System.' This can work if the volume is turned up high, but the LFN still cuts through it. I hadn't realized Scotland was so far ahead with getting a handle on this. Do you know if there is any research carried out in Scotland that has well drawn, decisive, conclusions. I am searching for something to throw at my local EH department. I've copied stuff to them about the dangers of LFN (and it has the same physical effects on me, too) but they just won't have it. I need something hard hitting that they cannot ignore.

Aug 18, 2015
Support NEW
by: Brown-noise

Dee I believe there has to be a group lobby to MPs, councils, etc. I have done masses of research as heard the hum for over 30yrs when I was v isolated as no-one but no-one understood then. I will post the scot.gov sites I've downloaded. They are much more sympathetic and recognisant of the effects on health. I didn't mention that studies performed at the RFH during a concert when they emitted the bands caused members of the audience to become fearful, tearful and filled with awe and fear. That is mentioned on Wikipedia also. Hence the bowels.... I also have adrenalin sensitivity which goes with the brain type. I hear the mosquito emissions in the higher frequencies also. Was told I have a primitive skull shape by Osteo PhD and am hyper alert. I also think the beached whales , dolphins probably react to sound waves in the oceans created by the NATO defence naval systems. It is a huge problem but worsened for us as not one of my friends, family members etc take it seriously. The papers I cite mention isolation too. I have found numerous USA sites where States sometimes even compensate. The dangers as I see them, are that the Grid is being ever added to, the natural healthy frequencies of the earth are interfered with and we are branded electro sensitives when in fact we should act as a signal of what is to come. It can only get worse. I'll post the links on my research tomorrow as am fading due to a v bad night last night....

Aug 18, 2015
Group action NEW
by: Brown-Noise

Perhaps all UK sufferers on here should post which area they live in. Even part postcode.... there may be a line corresponding with Grid lines, water, wind turbines (create hum up to 7km). LFN passes through concrete and increases intensity at that distance... Underground mines and unused quarries were mentioned in the EMF protection sites.

I would buy a battery, off grid, but having tried to sleep with Mains off, it made little difference.

Aug 18, 2015
Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Sorry you having a bad night. My problems with LFN only started about two years ago when I moved into a new flat in a new block. About a month later a young man moved in to a ground floor flat. He was (I guess still is) a 'gamer' 24 hours a day. He obviously didn't 'game' for 24 hours, but he left the media centre switched on for 24 hours whether gaming or not. The machine (media centre) made a constant, low, heavy, war drum type of noise, so it was literally 24 hours a day. Tried talking to him but he became aggressive and would not turn the volume down. He owned his flat, as did I mine, and EH were useless. I had to move and to my horror, I found I had moved opposite to a large family who also game all the time and leave the machine switched on. Sometimes the volume is turned down, it is audible then and just about bearable, but evenings, nights, weekends, it's full blast. I have contacted EH and insisted they use a C weighting to measure the sound. However, they are very reluctant to do anything and just keep saying that 'they won't pick anything up, no one else hears it, blah blah blah.' My family, like yours, do not believe me and do not support me. I've jumped through all the medical hoops I can, ENT (not tinnitus), Neurology (no sign of damage to nerves or brain) Psychiatry (not psychotic, paranoid, manic - although sometimes depressed due to lack of sleep!) All this at the behest of my family, who even now don't want to believe me or support me. I totally, absolutely, agree that we need a cohesive, dedicated group of people to campaign and lobby the government. However, all the three support groups for LFN suffers that I found - two only had addresses, I wrote and no one responded. No e mail or phone numbers. The last one had an e mail address which was not in use. So I have written today and hope I get a response. I really want to get a handle on this, but sometimes I am so sleep deprived and also am trying to find somewhere else to live, that there do not seem to be enough hours in each day. I have, however, e mailed a copy of the HG Leventhall report to the senior EH officer at my local council, and asked her to get back to me with her comments!! Watch this space. I look forward to receiving the Scottish reports when you are able to send them. I hope your night improves.

Aug 18, 2015
Group Action NEW
by: Another Susan

In answer to Brown-Noise - GL8. I'm doubtful its 'gamers' - see 'Bristol Hum' on Google. A recording has been made which is identical to the sound I hear (it can be heard beneath the sound of the recording machine).

Aug 18, 2015
Scotland acknowledges.... NEW
by: Brown noise


http://www.gov.scot/resource/doc/158512/0042973.pdf

Dee this is the dynamite site which may give you the ammo.

I pity you and all those who must endure this purgatorial torture. Guantanamo used sleep deprivation as torture. I only hope the all nighters are the root of your disruption. I once got tortured when my husband was alive; it was his electric toothbrush, just innocently plugged in, very similar in sound to the hum.

Sometimes at night, I can feel my forehead wince in time to the pulsating humming. I was convinced it was neighbours, but now realise it may be " in the air" or further afield, or underground or all of the above. At a previous address I got up at 3am walked up the road, 6 houses away and saw the TV on. I knocked on their door next day but they insisted I couldn't hear it as their children upstairs did not. That is the extent of the ignorance. I just heard the low thumping muzzled drone and followed it. It really may be just a difference in brains and their development. But even one sufferer is too many, it could drive anyone to insanity and worse. Let us know what your comments are on the paper....

Aug 18, 2015
Bristol hum NEW
by: Brown noise

Another Susan I was originally from Bristol and heard that in my 20s, sharing a flat with sister who never heard it. It is exactly what I feel (hear) up here. I had 12 years in ths USA but was never troubled (80s). It has got progressively worse I'm sure with the advent of 4G and more phone masts. one paper said we get so tuned in that we are subconsciously listening for it. I was told to try meditation! Yeah right been doing that and yoga for 20 yrs. That we should do CBT etc, but why...this is not imaginary, it's real and once you pick it up, it is just not possible to tune out. Even moving house which I've considered numerous times, including actually accepting offers on my home (Oxon) is not a solution as you'd have to camp outside any prospective new home for at least a week. That Scottish link above is worth reading as they are sympathetic to the problem. I joked that I was connected to the grid after I had a hip implant. Now I read that sufferers can sometimes feel the tingling down the leg into the ground, or down an arc through the bed (wiki I think it was). That tingling was in time to the throb, pulse of the humming. It is excruciating. Apparently if you sleep in a tent, earthed to the ground, you won't hear it. Has anyone disproved this?

Aug 18, 2015
Another Susan NEW
by: Dee

You've put your finger on the pulse. There is not just one source of LFN, there are many, and that has been proven by individuals with differing complaints about what they hear. People hear different types of noise that all come under the umbrella of LFN. Just as there are many different types of High sounding noises. I know people who can hear a hum, but I can't hear what they hear. And many people can't hear what I hear, only two other residents where I live can, but not to the point that it bothers them. Home media centers have built in sub-woofers which accentuate LFN and push the sound out. It just seems to be at the heavy density of bass that really affects me. I wish it were not so.

Aug 18, 2015
Bristol Hum NEW
by: Another Susan

I've posted this before and is the sound I hear. Does anyone else hear this sound, or different ones.
Listen carefully as it's underneath the crackle of the recording machine. This is what's become known as the Bristol Hum (Google it).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPAt8bIxgjk&feature=youtu.be

Aug 18, 2015
Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Thank you for sending the paper. I will certainly read that with great interest. I know what you mean about the 'TV down the road.' You are right different sounds affect different people, and as we know LFN can carry for miles, especially at night when there is no ambient sound around. And yes, the ignorance of people is mind numbing. But very typical of the reaction to any 'unseen' ailment, illness, etc. If people can see you have a health problem/disability that's OK, but if they can't see it then: well - you must be making it up/imagining it/attention seeking, and so on! I get the same pulsing feeling in my head and sometimes the vibration is so bad that it feels like someone is giving me electric shocks straight into my brain. It used to be just the type of noise emitted by these gaming machines but now I've noticed that sometimes, when I'm out in town with all the heavy traffic, I feel a vibration through my body which is uncomfortable. I had hoped so much exposure to LFN would have desensitized me to it, but it seems not. Oh Joy!

Aug 18, 2015
Deep ocean sounds..... NEW
by: Brown noise


Another Susan, the Bristol Post published scientific article by a French scientist who says it's deep ocean sounds causing the Bristol hum. Ironic when the most hypnotic and seductive sound is that of the ocean. You don't hear the hum if you're in the range of crashing waves..

Aug 19, 2015
To Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Have read the Scottish report on LFN several times, and also sent to my local EH dept. Thank you so much for forwarding the link to me. Made lots of sense and the Scots seem to have more sympathy for the issue. The only suggestion I have (and this is for all UK LFN suffers who use this site) is that all the people in the UK who suffer from LFN problems write to: The Rt Hon. Elizabeth Truss who is the Tory MP for Environment and Rural Affairs. Also to Maria Eagle who is the shadow MP in the opposition. I don't know how much good it will do, probably not much to start with. However, if everyone who experiences problems wrote and explained just how they suffer and how much, then someone should take notice. At least you will get a response as MP's are duty bound to respond to letters. Also, before writing, read the Scottish report on the link given by Brown Nose and also the Leventhall report which can be found on the web. There are also many other reports written by various 'experts' all over the world.

Aug 19, 2015
READ THE PRIOR THREADS THE ANSWERS ARE WITHIN THEM!! NEW
by: Don

Smart Grids is correct. Between the over head power lines and the pipelines,y'all can decide which is worse. And they are all over the world. Smart grid May 19th post answers ALL your questions for origin.READ THE PRIOR POSTS!READ THE PRIOR POSTS.

Aug 19, 2015
Hopeless NEW
by: Brown noise (note)

Dee I will certainly write to the MPs concerned; thanks for doing the ground work. My instinct is that nothing will or can happen. What can they do, dismantle the entire Grid.. But there surely must be sufferers among the Environment fraternity. Or in Westminster. I'm buying a Lectro fan unit which can emit white noise of the rain, oceans etc variety. My fan is far too loud, blows out dry air and is costly to keep going. If Geoff Leventhall tells me I can only mask the vibrations, then there's not much more hope. What concerns me is if it can affect the bowels by way of causing oscillating, how much damage to the brain. I've got elevated metal ions (v high) and wonder how much of my brain fog is attributable to sleep disturbance from the hum and how much to ion particles. To the person who wrote about fish tank at adjoining wall, I read the disturbance is not proportional to the size of the cause. I am currently investigating with the council the date at which the wind turbines were installed as the disturbance is getting worse. Incidentally, the EARTHPULSE emits at up to 14.6Hz which luckily is below the levels of the Hum . I'm persevering with it. Personally I'm working on masking it as I don't think it'll be going anywhere in our lifetime.

Aug 23, 2015
Humming/vibration in your ears NEW
by: Stephanie

Hi Susan, I have experienced this same sound in my previous house. I was told it might be a hot tub but the neighbor who I was sure had the hot tub would not admit to having it, let alone changing anything about the motor. I finally sold the house and moved as it was driving me truly insane. In my new house I was hum/vibration free for almost a year, and then new neighbors moved in. Immediately after they installed their new hot tub and turned it on, I woke up in the middle of the night with this humming/vibration ringing in my ears. I knew then exactly what it was. I spoke to them about turning it down, and they did, and it's been ok for the most part - although whenever it cycles in a higher gear I get that same vibration/humming which wakes me up and causes me great discomfort.

Aug 23, 2015
World Map of the HUM NEW
by: Brown noise

I urge you all to register your postcode/zip code on the world map of the Hum. .. Interesting to compare with wind turbine distribution.

Aug 23, 2015
Areas of UK NEW
by: Dee

I live in Herefordshire. Apparently, they have masses of complaints about LFN, and it's a real issue. Problem, though, is that different people hear different sounds. However...how people are affected, both physically and mentally, seem very similar.

Aug 24, 2015
LFN - Another UK case NEW
by: AT

Hi.
Just been reading all your posts. I've been reading about lfn for many months now inc. Leventhal etc. & am amazed at the fact that although it's been proven to be a real & serious problem, there is no legislation in the UK that actually deals with it.
For the past 2 years our neighbours who live in the flat below ours have been causing my partner and I, but more recently my partner, intense noise disturbance. It started with loud music & parties but after several months of trying to get some action, finally getting an abatement notice served on them by the local council, the noise has changed to lfn - bass/gaming? My partner is getting unwell as a result, cannot sleep in the flat anymore & has even had to book the odd hotel room to get some peace. As the noise level is considered too low to be a statutory nuisance (apparently noise machines don't pick it up) the council say they can do no more. Am happy to write to MPs etc. but will wholeheartedly support a lobbying/pressure group if there is one..?

Aug 24, 2015
To AT new case - UK NEW
by: Dee

Sounds as thought your noise problem could be LFN. EH departments have been 'advised' on the how to cope with the problem. However...in my last place the EH were worse than useless. The usual noise monitoring device that they use is on the A weighting which is no good for picking up LFN. You have to insist that they use a C or G weighting. Ask them to put in writing that this is what they will do. Mind you I asked...and have not received! I have also asked for a print out of the results of the noise testing. Again...we shall see. Part of the problem, I feel, is that following gov funded research carried out by Defra, EH departments of Councils were 'advised that they should follow the guidelines recommended.' However this was not made a mandatory rule. I believe it is because there are so many different sources of LFN that for the gov to investigate all would cost - a lot - and, possibly open a large can of worms, i.e. there is much belief that some LFN is caused by Smart Grid, gas pipes, pylons, etc, as well as domestic noise nuisance, i.e. bass/gaming. My problem, both times, has been when I moved, and it bought me into close proximity with 'gamers.'The first time the gamer moved in a month after me, the second time (because no one else seemed bothered) I was not told. To be fair, I didn't ask! But because only approximately 1 - 50 of the population hears LFN, it is an added onus trying to get it taken seriously as a problem. I hadn't realized how much 'gaming' goes on! LFN is a real and serious problem and I can understand your partner being unwell. LFN has caused me untold health issues, and (I don't know if you looked at any of the other research on the Leventhall page), but there is an interesting one about the kinds of health problems caused by exposure to LFN on an ongoing basis. So far I have found three different addresses for an LFN suffers association and have contacted them all in writing with no response. An e mail given for one was not in use! I agree a support group is needed to help to lobby parliament to look at this problem. Writing to the Rt Hon Elizabeth Truss - Secretary for Environment and Rural Affair, and also to her shadow Maria Eagle is a good start, but it would need everyone who has a problem with LFN to do so, probably more than once.

Aug 24, 2015
Hz NEW
by: Brown note/noise

FYI cat repellent devices emit 26Hz . That is a danger frequency for me. My neighbour has removed his after aeons on the very day I called the council!I now know all the frequencies I sense by listening to the range up to 60Hz on YouTube.

Last night I went to a hotel for a good nights rest in a high ceilinged room with thick walls. Jumped awake at 3.10am and heard it through the fan AND the ipad giving out 572Hz. Why does it seem to affect me at these times, viz., 1 am ish. 3am ish and 4.30 ish. I then found out the nearest turbine was even nearer to the hotel. If it is wholly the Grid, why does it peak around this area at those hours.

The Lectro box arrived today and you can select one setting (out of 10) which resembles a radio needing tuning which I understand also may drown out LFN. I will be well armed with data when the engineer visits. It will be interesting to play him the frequencies 1-60 and see which of us does not hear... And I don't think it will be me. 1in 50 people is a lot; you would think just someone in Westminster, the Lords, anywhere in the echelons of power might be a "sensitive". Or even one of the utilities technical and engineering employees. It is baffling

Aug 24, 2015
Mystery hum driving me nuts! NEW
by: Julia

Hi there,
I found this forum after lying awake most nights for the past month. I live in Sydney, Australia in a fairly urbanized area.
I am not the greatest sleeper at the best of times and always use earplugs.
About a month ago I detected this bizarre oscillating hum/buzz like a low flying light aircraft or engine idling but never never stopping. Not even long enough for me to drop off to sleep!
After trying to sleep in various other rooms in the house to no avail, I am now forced to take sleeping pills which give me 6 hours of rubbish sleep and have me waking at 5,30am like a zombie.
My husband can't hear it and I have called numerous local agencies (council and organisations doing roadworks/railworks in the area) all have denied they are doing nightwork and because I can't locate the source of the sound, it is even MORE frustrating! Worst thing is, because of the constant low frequency vibration, earplugs almost make it worse. There is no getting away from the sound and no relief.
One thing I noticed from your posts - I have had ear surgery as a child and lots of scarring on my eardrums - could this be a cause? If so, why have I only just started hearing this hum?
Also, we have 132000 Volt underground cables currently being laid down our street - the sound seems to have started when this did - but I can't be sure....could this be a factor? If so, what can I do about it?
I am so sleep deprived it is all a blur :-(

Aug 24, 2015
Hum is Global NEW
by: Shane

The Hum is Global. Every state in the US I've been to I can hear it. I can hear it even away from the grid high up in the mountains where there is no cell service/signal or any power lines....It's Global!!! I've come to the conclusion that it's either man made or the sun is reacting with the Earth and the rest of the planets in our solar system. Lately, some really unique stuff has been happening to the solar system and it's attributed to the sun and the change thereof.

Aug 25, 2015
To Julia in Sydney NEW
by: Dee

I don't know how old you are Julia but it seems, from statistics, that more older people have problems with LFN than younger people; especially older women. One of the EH officer who visited my home actually confirmed this: he said that young people have a hearing range that includes very high pitched noise - sometimes painful. Most complaints - but certainly not all - about LFN have been from older people. I, too, had ear disease on and off as a child. When I got older it became worse and I endured several surgical operations on my right ear (in which I now have no hearing at all). I think this may have encouraged my left ear to try to compensate but, being an older person, it has developed this LFN sensitivity. Much of the problem seems to be that there are several different sources of LFN - this makes sense to me - because we have more sophisticated technology at our fingertips which means, of course, that we need improved power lines, phone masts, TV aerials, etc. I wish I knew what to suggest to you, but like you I found ear plugs useless (I must have spent a fortune on different ones) I do have a noise therapy machine which plays different sounds. However, the LFN penetrates through this, even thought I have it on so loud I'm surprised the neighbours haven't complained! I take sleeping pills each night, and my doc has now agreed to try me on Gabapentin which is an anti-seizure drug. It does seem to deaden the aural nerves slightly (enough for me to get to sleep without resorting to a sleeping pill) but...it does wear off and I get woken up by the LFN around 4am - 5am. I wish I knew what to suggest to you because I know how awful sleep deprivation is. I am trying to find somewhere else to live, but everywhere I go I hear this noise. Not so bad in the day time with the ambient sounds, but night time is a different matter.

Aug 25, 2015
Shane NEW
by: Dee

It does seem to be a global problem. But how and why? I think it is probably man made due to all the new technology around. It seems that we humans have an urgent need to 'develop' any area of the planet that we haven't settled. Interesting your comments about the solar system and the sun. Maybe our poor, over crowded, beleaguered planet is finally turning against us

Aug 25, 2015
Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Interesting comment about being woken up at 3am - 4am. I find this as well. Anything really from 2.30am to 4.30am. I can't see how it is the grid, but there again I don't have any other suggestions to offer. However, I find rooms with high ceilings worse to sleep in. With me, the smaller the rooms and lower the ceilings, the better. This is what is so frustrating about LFN, it affects individuals in different ways, and obviously there are many causes. Oh Joy!
Let us know how you get on with your Electro device, and what frequencies you could hear and the technician couldn't and vice versa. Good luck with it. If you have found an answer to LFN disturbance with this equipment, then a lot of people, including me, will be very grateful.

Aug 25, 2015
Councils response NEW
by: Brown noise

Here are a few paragraphs from the local EH fief sound officer. He goes to state they are bound to stick to government guidelines (which we know from the Leventhall report) . I don't hold out much hope in identifying the causes. They look for LFN but it's in our brains that we feel this. I slept until 5am with the Lectro (love it) but the LFN was felt then down my leg as a VIBRATION. I'm sure it's our brains which differ. The Osteo said my skeletal shape was a throw back and was not surprised at the fight or flee response.

QUOTE:

Low frequency noise and infrasound is naturally present in the environment since it can be generated by air and water turbulence as caused by wind, and waves for example. It can also be produced by rotational and reciprocating machinery and typical sources might be, compressors, diesel engines, aircraft, shipping, combustion, cooling tower, boilers, electrical installations, air conditioning plant, and aircraft for example.
Structure borne noise, originating in vibration, can transmit sound and vibration, sourced from inside or outside, to other parts of a building depending on the character of the noise and how the building has been constructed and the materials it is made of. Also resonance effects can occur in enclosed or partially enclosed spaces such that this may amplify the noise. A room with an open door or window can act as a Helmholtz resonator to generate standing waves that produce an effect that is similar to that obtained when blowing across the top of an empty bottle. Resonances in a normal sized domestic room occur in the low frequency region. For example, a room of dimensions 4m by 5m by 2.5m has low frequency resonances from 34 Hz upwards. Resonances increase the sound level in parts of the room whilst decreasing it in others. The resonance frequency is lower for greater volumes.

Expert advice received by the Government states that evidence on health effects of low frequency noise is ambiguous and there is no evidence to demonstrate it can have a direct physiological effect on the body. Also the advice is that there isn’t a scientific consensus that infrasonic noise below the threshold of hearing will have an adverse effect on health since there is scientific uncertainty regarding the understanding of human response to infrasound. However, I am aware that there continues to be an on-going debate within and between the Government, acoustic and health communities regarding low frequency noise/infrasound and its impacts. Whilst local authorities have a responsibility, along with other agencies, to regulate noise pollution, they are not in a position to peer review the validity of findings/conclusions/recommendations as published in various research papers on the subject other than to take advice from the Government and its experts on these matters.

The Government has published guidance for local authorities on low frequency noise but it is recognised that there is still much research to be done to gain a fuller understanding of its effects, and how sources can be identified, assessed and managed. It has to be recognised that sources of low frequency noise(s)/infrasound(s) are difficult to identify, measure and assess because these occur at or below the margins of the threshold of audibility of many people, and it may be difficult or not possible to identify a source or threshold of impact required before the legislation local authorities have available can be used (i.e. the Statutory Nuisance Provisions of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 for example).

Aug 25, 2015
To Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Very interesting reading, thank you. I must say I do wonder why it is that the majority of people who are troubled by LFN are older people, and more women have problems with it, than men? I think there is something to be said for the 'fight/flight' response. This, though, is to all noise which is unexpected. Even when we are sleeping the brain is constantly monitoring our surroundings to protect us against threat/attack. Which is why a small noise can awaken you from sleep even though, when you wake, you don't know what it was that woke you. From my own experiences I think that constant, long term, exposure to LFN can cause health problems. Research has suggested that noise at night, disturbs sleep, even if it doesn't wake you up, and can cause all manner of physical problems. So glad the Lectro worked for you. What exactly is it? How does it work? Where can we buy them? Sounds as thought you may have hit on a solution. Well done. Even if it only works for some people it is worth trying. I don't quite understand the skeletal thing, about skeletal throw back. Could you explain?


Aug 25, 2015
Lectro et al NEW
by: Brown Noise

Dee, the Lectro bought from Amazon for about £70. It has about a dozen sounds, all similar to varying levels of fan volume. However it doesnt blow air as my loud fan did, drying the air and v cumbersome. Lectro is lightweight, simple, size of small tin of candy. I took 10mg melatonin and I buy GABA (not gabapentin, note) from iherb, ca. That's gamma amino butyric acid. Iherb is v inexpensive even with $8 mailing; arrives in a couple of days.

The brain type is primitive, Neanderthal. I could hear the anti nuisance"mosquito" sound when broadcast by the BBC. It's not meant to be picked up by anyone over 21 or so. I think the senses are hyper aware. I have a biggish occipital bulge at the back of the skull.

At a dinner party I jumped out of my seat a second BEFORE the glass candle holder cracked - deafening for me, no one else batted an eyelid. They weren't even aware it had cracked. This characteristic in me is isolating in itself. The Osteo noted my long toes and arms and was not surprised when I detailed things I picked up that no one else was aware of. Someone several blocks away was washing a car and had the radio on. I heard it from my garden as the most disorienting thumping. Again, no one else could hear it. I had to walk and find it and ask him to turn it down. That I hear LFN/brown note is an affliction of my "type"; older female etc. However, I heard the Bristol hum in my 20s when no one in the family could hear it.

I thought the EH officers comments about windows, double glazing, amplification and the analogy of blowing across the neck of a bottle interesting. Using turbines as an example, they don't have to be within a couple of Km if indeed the sound/vibrations increases exponentially with distance.

But as you say, it's interesting that we get woken at those times. Now, at 8.36pm, I have nothing on , switched the fridge off and can hear the HUM distinctly, rhythmically.

They will measure my house thankfully and if I get a reading I will know what to do with prospective homes to buy. Mr Leventhall told me the best thing is to learn to live it, but I've suffered at various addresses over 30 years. A noise can override or mask another noise, but how do you mask a vibration..

One final thought is hypnosis. It can be very powerful but you need an expert. I thought of trying to get in touch with (if it's him) Paul McKenna. If they can operate with no anaesthetic with hypnosis, then why not. Presumably during surgery you would not even hear the drilling and sawing, yuk!

Aug 25, 2015
Selective "hearing" NEW
by: Brown noise

P.S. A few years ago, I slept through my smoke alarm AND the ensuing arrival of the fire brigade, ringing my door bell, climbing through an upstairs window, en masse only to respond when one of them shook me from my slumber. Trains outside my window in one apartment in the USA twenty years ago, did not disturb my sleep at all. However at certain locations in Washington DC I sensed it, in particular at one friend's apartment, sixth floor in a huge building.

If you look at world map of the HUM, there is more coastal occurrence in Europe and beyond. North Bristol Channel too. The western gazette in Plymouth printed an article about their HUM and the turbine connection. I really don't understand why government isn't more active, but then look how slow they've been over mercury amalgam. You can put it in teeth, but you need protection by law to remove it with special equipment and monitoring, bonkers

Aug 25, 2015
Electro et al by Brown Noise NEW
by: Another Susan

Very interesting comments coming through now. I sleep with my bedroom door open so have just closed it (3.45am), but I can still hear the hum. I also wake between 1.30am-2.30am and had thought it was down to needing less sleep as I was getting older (62), but perhaps not. Re the a Electro - £70 is expensive and it appears to do the same as an iPhone app that you can buy very cheaply - or have I misunderstood what it does?

Aug 26, 2015
Lectro vs apps ets NEW
by: Brown noise

All I can say about Lectro is that fir the first time in 30 yrs I've slept two nights in a row on the Lectro setting WHITE NOISE. at number 10 setting (there are another 10 fan noises).

But, during all my mammoth research, I read that when councils have set up listening equipment in people's homes, the HUM mysteriously disappears. As soon as my council responded, there was silence at 0200 am when I went to the bathroom! Now I've slept 2 nights, I hope it isn't a case of "mother! father, kindly disregard this letter"! A la Lerner!

I don't like leaving wifi on at night, nor any other electrical equipment plugged in. I was about to have my home dowsed for EMF so bad was my sleep. I bought the £500 EARTHPULSE which, if you can afford it, is good to replenish in the mornings after a nuit Blanche. That was before I realised I wasn't on my own in hearing the HUM. And that masking it can restore sleep, and therefore, judgment.

Again, world map of the hum is set up for everyone whose lives are disrupted by lack of sleep, and I urge that you all key in your postcode to add to that resource.

Aug 26, 2015
waubrafoundation.org.au NEW
by: Brown noise

All of you should see the damning report below, but especially those in Australia....

www.waubrafoundation.org.au health/symptoms

Even the employees testing the low frequencies were made ill.
This is HUGE. I sent it to my council, and they were VERY quick in getting back to me.

Aug 26, 2015
To Brown Nose NEW
by: Dee

Hello. Wow, this is fantastic information. You have done so much research. Now you've explained about the skeletal shape, I realize I have similar shape to back of skull. Also an osteo once commented that I had quite long arms!! But my legs are quite long as well, so not sure if that meant anything. I am certainly going to look into this Lectro. The noise therapy thing I bought (same cost) does have some interesting sounds but the LFN seems to slide under even the most effective ones. I had same problem with fan, dried the air and I woke up with dry mouth and coughing. Never knew about the herbal Gaba so will look into that. The only reason I can think of that the gov. are ignoring this problem is because of reasons we've cited in the past, in this website,i.e. there is more than one source of LFN, so it isn't easy to pin down; it could be due to electrical installations, grids, wind machines, etc, etc, and if so it would cost too much and cause to much disruption to change anything. I was pretty cross at the suggestion that people who suffer from LFN should undergo CBT, i.e. once called Aversion Therapy. Most of us know it couldn't work, because LFN won't go away. However, it's a typical gov trick to blame the 'victim' and take the spotlight off there own extreme reluctance to take any action, thus washing their hands of 1 in 50 of the population whose live are being made a living hell. The least that could be done is to acknowledge these 1 in 50 and offer some kind of funding to buy masking equipment - but don't hold your breath on that one. You've made some very, very, helpful suggestions, Brown Nose. I hope that everyone who reads the posts can feel more hopeful that there may be some help out there. Will now down load and read the link you've provided. If it made your EH dept sit up and take notice, then it could have the same effect on mine.

Aug 26, 2015
Brown Noise (nose) NEW
by: Another Susan

Have to laugh 😂, but I do wish people would stop typing "Brown Nose" - it has a totally different meaning to "Brown Noise" lol

Aug 26, 2015
Brown Noise NEW
by: Dee

OMG I am so sorry Brown Noise! Blame it on LFN syndrome. I find myself getting really muddled sometimes when the sleep deprivation kicks in with a vengeance. I play Scrabble against the computer to try to keep the mind ticking over, and some of the words I've been putting down lately....when I'm told 'not an acceptable word' I get cross until I look closer...and they're right. By the way the waubra stuff seems to be mainly about noise from Wind Farms. I've copied the stuff about health problems caused by LFN to my EH office. Just hoping they take me seriously. Not sure I can take me seriously though, the way my mind is all over the place! Thanks for pointing the missing 'i' out Another Susan.

Aug 26, 2015
Brown Noise by Dee NEW
by: Another Susan

Hi Dee, I'm another Scrabbler in my very early waking hours. I play online - there's always someone in the world up and about in the hours when I can't get back to sleep.

Aug 26, 2015
to Another Susan NEW
by: Dee

Hi Susan. I actually used to really love those early morning hours just before, and as, it is becoming light, and there is no one around. It used to be so quiet and so new and fresh, like the beginning of the world. And you know what - this is the first time I've thought about it, but LFN has ruined it. The last time I knew such peace and quiet was over two years ago when I lived in the countryside. There now seems to be noise 24/7 without ceasing. At least on line scrabble helps a bit, I can always say rude things to the computer when it lays down highly debatable words! Interesting that if you challenge the computer it doesn't remove the word, but if it challenges you, you have to remove it. Hmmm! Happy Scrabbling

Aug 26, 2015
Brown either way NEW
by: NOSE AND NOISE

NOSE sometimes name given on some USA sites I've researched. Because LFN affects the sympathetic nervous system, it can cause loose bowels. Read my previous; I get so anxious when awoken by the HUM, DRONE blah blah that the following morning I go the loo many times in succession and was losing weight. I have a brilliant diet, do yoga, have no financial worries etc, yet still the night awakenings were panicky. It is a "note" in the sense of low Bass. But see my post on RFH concert goers made to feel so morbid when the "note" was emitted in sine waves. Brown nose a la Private Eye was of course something VERY different! I suggest that the morbid fear it brings on is fight or flee, very primaeval, and therefore could definitely cause the bowel to "react"!

My council is sending the equipment Friday 18th... I am ensuring it is if the cirrect weighting, and able to record at or below 25Hz.

Please all of you look at the waubra site to find, or go direct to,

Malcolm Swinbanks lecture given at Stratford in 2012. It is very technical and states that rarely can adults "hear" below 25Hz. Well I do hear it.

Also Dee you should read it as it refers to the cochlear channel in the inner ear and the ciliary cells (hairy). Which may have been affected, if not cauterised if you had surgery there...

Aug 26, 2015
To Nose and Noise aka Brown Noise NEW
by: Dee

Hello. Very good luck for the 18th. Do hope they get a reading and can help. My sympathies with the bowel issues, I have exactly the same problem. So I guess, looking on the bright side of life, it can help in keeping one healthy and weight down, but...!! Re my ears: The right ear has been operated on so many times I've lost count. Also lost a bit of mastoid bone from that area due to disease. I can't hear anything in that ear so I guess all has been destroyed. I know that the small bones were removed along with the mastoid bone. Problem is: EH use this against me. They're written remit is that any noise disturbance has to be that which would cause problems for - 'an average,normal, reasonable person.' I have been informed by EH Senior Officer that: 'they do not deal with people who have any kind of hearing loss/damage problem.' Meaning, I guess, that they only 'dea' with people who have perfect hearing. If that is the case then it means that the large majority of the population cannot be assisted by EH departments. It is a crazy get out clause which leaves thousands, if not millions, of people with to redress to being damaged by LFN and it's effects. I've looked on Amazon and they have quite a few noise masking machines. Wish, though, that I could hear a sample of the noises just to make sure I get one that doesn't actually drive me mad. My current noise therapy system is not bad, especially on the ocean noise setting, but the LFN does rather creep under the masking noise. Re the GABA. Looked that up and it seems Solgar is the best? Would you agree?

Aug 26, 2015
Sleeping NEW
by: Brown noise

Dee, look at Now foods; I use their melatonin also. Good and least expensive. Terrible to read of your aural troubles. How ghastly, on top of everything...can't any of the surgeons suggest which aids are best (as I wrote that I realise surgeons run a mile and disappear into the ether after they've yielded the knife). I can imagine if you've lost bone, and any cavity exists, all kinds of amplifications and vibrations must be felt. It's such a delicate area and SO near the brain. I won't go into my own saga as it'll get off topic, but I think basically in life we're on our own. I have been very disillusioned and become quite cynical. My council has sent me pages on their sound equipment manufactured by a German co, which appears as if it will do the job, meanwhile I got a reply from the waubra foundation. Next year, New Zealand government is releasing a new piece of sound recording equipment calibrated and designed particularly for the HUM LFN It does seem that LFN is a growing problem and probably the health consequences and implications are so vast that governments can foresee a financial catastrophe lurking. To live life at half or quarter mast through lack of sleep is purgatory.

Aug 26, 2015
to Brown Noise NEW
by: Dee

Hello, and thank you for the tip about New Foods will certainly look into them. Just looked at my last post - Ahhhh! Full of typos. Wrote it whilst doing my best to ward off the sounds of gaming from over the road - never seems to stop. The ENT people can't recommend anything. On top of the surgery is the problem of childhood ear disease and a fistula. The fistula means that I have to be careful of sudden, very loud noises, as the leak means that the balance fluid gets low and I fall over!! Yes, it has happened. Most embarrassing. It was only discovered about ten years ago (the miracles of the CAT scan) but I would have had it all my life. Explains why when I tried to do cartwheels and handstands at school, I ended up flat on my back and feeling sick. Oh Lord, enough already. Your EH people do seem to be trying to reassure you. I have had absolutely zero response to my e mails, letters and info. from the ones here. I know they are trying to write me off as some silly old woman with hearing problems and whom they have decided beforehand that they cannot help. My family are the same. Oh Joy! Really interesting stuff about NZ and how they are taking this LFN problem seriously. Must admit I feel much better knowing that other people do hear this (that sounds bad - of course I wish they didn't) but it does help to know you're not completely alone with it - also, to know that you are not imagining it and it is really happening. I am still trying to move - it seems the only answer - but worrying as I could encounter same problems where ever I go. As you say, sleep deprivation is purgatory, total and utter. One day, I hope so much, there will be an organization of individuals in the UK who will decide it's worth the energy to lobby our useless government and it's Nelsonian blindness to the issue of LFN.

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